President

[Electric Prophet]

EP:
I was prepared to take your argument seriously, but that first one just threw me off. Just be glad that Clintons big mistake in his years as president was a personal one, not a political one like his successor.

I guess it's my blessing and my curse that I hate taking politics seriously 100% of the time. Frankly, when it comes to Clinton, there is no such thing as a simply personal error, especially when he lied about it and passed it off with semantics. I don't think it would have been as much of a disappointment if he had just said, "Yep, I let her blow me, what now America?" As vulgar as I put it, I'd be more accepting of him then than the way he handled it.

Well, Obama got himself the presidential spot. I guess we won't have to worry about paying for anything anymore... for a while, until the corporations that will get tax increases start jacking their prices and the economy goes even further downhill.

I know of someone who didn't pay their mortgage because they thought Obama was going to pay for it.


Oh and I forgot to say what I had wanted to say that made me decide to post here in the first place, but that happens often to the best of us, doesn't it now?

Honestly, Obama is not who I voted for, and while he is rightly the president-elect I do hope that some technicality is brought up that keeps him from the office... Except for the fact that I don't want Biden for president! I'm just trusting God and standing in prayer that things will be alright and that this "young" man won't mess things up too badly.

[toekneebullard]

Interesting questions Lucas.

My thoughts on it are these:
Jesus talked so much about you, as a person. He rarely spoke about people's effecting change on large scale. He rarely talked about government. He almost exclusively talked about personal relationships, and interactions with other people personally. Is it because back then no one had the internet and you couldn't express yourself to millions of people with a click of a button? I don't think so. It seemed to me Jesus was completely concerned with us helping those around us, those directly around us, that he didn't even have time to mention other large scale things. That makes me wonder if maybe our focus should be on ourselves, and our communities, and not the whole world.

If Jesus was in Darfur, I see him helping the victims, not deposing the government. So what does that mean for me?

I'm going to stop typing now, cause I'm about to start posing 50 more questions that take this in a whole other direction.

[Kevin]

I don't think the two concepts are mutually exclusive. If we try to save the world, we'll die frustrated and miserable failures. However, if we try to invest in people, we might just accidentally change the world without knowing what happened. The key to changing the world isn't electing the right president. It is investing in people who in turn invest in others.

[charis]

If God hand-selects our rulers, then He'll eventually hand-select the antichrist

that kind of sucks for the anti-christ.

[screams]

That would be epic pwnage.

[Kevin]

If God hand-selects our rulers, then He'll eventually hand-select the antichrist

that kind of sucks for the anti-christ.

indeed

[charis]

i don't think the anti-christ will know he is the anti-christ when he is born... and i think he will choose to be the anti-christ (by making a deal with the devil or whatnot)...

but i don't have scripture to even back up what i'm saying... so yah! i don't know enough about the subject to talk about it. but i'm not saying that god doesn't know who the antichrist will be... because i believe he knows all. weird subject.

[screams]

If the anti-christ is born at all. He could just come out of somewhere, or an immaculate conception or something. I don't know much about him, other than he is supposed to rise out of Rome, and people won't think of him as an evil person, at least... except for those who are Undeceived.

[Dos Miguel]

That sucks, I like Rome. I think, I've never been there!!!

[Lucas]

i think it's a good idea to approach end-times stuff with the understanding that we know very little (if anything)... i think we've been told how we're supposed to live our lives and i'm not sure how much good it does for us to analyze and speculate about this or that prophecy?

i encountered one fellow who believed that the antichrist would promise peace, therefore he was opposed to anyone who wanted to work towards peace. i thought that was more than a little skewed.

[Juliana]

except for those who are Undeceived.

i used to be, reckon that'll do?

[Electric Prophet]

i think it's a good idea to approach end-times stuff with the understanding that we know very little (if anything)... i think we've been told how we're supposed to live our lives and i'm not sure how much good it does for us to analyze and speculate about this or that prophecy?

Since there's really nobody here to complain about necro-ing a thread, I'll comment on this.

I have to agree with Lucas on this. I'm one of those people who really enjoyed the Left Behind series, but over the years I've got to realize that that was just two gifted writers putting out their theory of how it will all go down. We know so little about the end times except that things will not be pleasant for both sides of the fence at one time or another. We simply don't know. We may find ourselves believing one interpretation is more correct than other, as I do, but in my lifetime I've seen "modern day prophets" interpret all kinds of things the wrong way; even to the extreme of one prophet telling a woman with cancer that she wasn't going to die, and then a few months later the woman with cancer died. Several people left that church after that happened.

Oh, and regardless of what I may have said around election time, it really bothers me when people call President Obama the anti-christ. Honestly, I don't like his political views, but I think that the guy probably isn't conjuring up demons and practicing ancient Satanic rites in the bunker under the White House. Sometimes I think that if I were to tell people who oppose the president about this black who is married, has two kids, and works his tail off to provide for himself and the people he cares about without ever using his name or specifying what his job was, people would probably comment that he's someone to be commended for not being the racial stereotype that "all" black people are drunk dead-beats who live in the ghettos of our major cities.

My only grief is these two things: some people put him on a pedestal so high, it was as if they saw him as Christ-returned, and secondly that so many people honestly believe that we somehow overcame a civil rights barrier by electing a black man into the oval office. Maybe I just don't have perspective on this, and I humbly submit that as a possibility, but my thoughts and observations have been that a large group of young voters (and some older voters) voted for him because he was black and thought that by doing so they'd be helping end racism in America.